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PostSubject: The ongoing Raw-specific PPV thread   Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:11 am

I thought it might be worth having a separate thread for the RAW only PPVs...

Extreme Rules:

Was pretty much okay, I thought. I really enjoyed the Miz vs Ambrose match, and thought it was a really good match. I liked how they played up Miz being a veteran for most of the exchanges, and there's more than a hint of classic Ric Flair to him now, the way he uses his experience to cheat. Worst part was the ref at the end, he almost a pantomime villain with the way he was playing up the 'Am I going to DQ you?' dilemma.

Really enjoyed the main event. All got their chance to shine, and anyone of them could have won. Liked the ongoing Joe and Bray partnership, but Roman Reigns was the stand-out for me. He just looked the part, looked like an absolute megastar in the way he carries himself, and was a level above everyone else in the match. Like him or not, he's here to stay as the new guy to carry WWE.

Loved Joe winning, though. Him vs Lesnar is going to be an absolute war, and I can't wait to see it (having said that, it'll now be a suplex / suplex / pin Lesnar match).

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PostSubject: Re: The ongoing Raw-specific PPV thread   Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:07 pm

I enjoyed the PPV too. I thought The Miz would of struggled swapping to the red brand but he hasn't missed a beat. Great match. The 5 way match was great too. Slightly surprised Joe won. Thought it would of been Baler or Rollins but anyone of those guys could of won and I'd of been ok with it.

Lesnar v Joe looks great on paper. It should be a war. I just don't think it will be (after watching raw). Lesnar is holding the title until mania but they need to make his opponents look good so when mania comes, beating Lesnar is a massive deal
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PostSubject: Re: The ongoing Raw-specific PPV thread   Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:08 pm

Agree with you both.

I was surprised Roman got so badly booed on Raw, he is still a bit boring, although the Brawn feud and Taker win cut that down a lot and he is now saying his lines with added winks and nudges and a bit of wind up finesse. But considering he lost and performs well, what is there really to boo at the moment. Save that up for Reigns vs Lesnar at WM lol. Which will be fantastic anyway. He's taken enough bumps to earn peoples respect by now I would have thought. And there IS a choice, SD main event scene will be 4 huge Indies stars. And Raw will be building up Balor and Joe as well as that.


I think we discussed who should face Lesnar before, and basically it was Joe out of the 5 that were in the match. Dream match, legitimately as Graves keeps plugging. Two of the biggest MMA style wrestlers, Joe perhaps seen as the real leader of that style in the US certainly. I also liked the tease of Angle vs Joe that blossomed from this match up. Something we also discussed about in potential matches for Kurt one day.

Joe actually getting mic time from it as well. Much needed in order to establish him with the WWE audience. He has no real weaknesses as a wrestler and sports entertainer, so giving him the green light in all areas is wise. He is probably only one of three people allowed to say the word violent in WWE right now too. And he needs to be able to say things like that, so working with Leanar and Heyman is perfect, because they have more leniency. I hope that when this is done, he can carry on in the same way and in essence be that Lesnar type character, but that appears weekly. After the loss he should go unbeaten for a good few months to make sure WWE always has that legit back up for Lesnar, and a rival for Reigns in future.


And Ambrose vs Miz will always be good. Ambrose was booked a bit like he was stupid, but that happens and they seem to want him to be more and more reckless, so that's okay. Except on Raw he was cunning again, so it'sagain like they can't decide who he should be. (I think I predicted he could end up being used with The Drifter one week, and a world champion the next, which is good for passing on experience, but bad for his character) It has led to Miz developing his character as well though, now seen as the smart veteran, and also trouble in paradise means he might have to do it without Maryse for a while. Which can only make the IC title stronger.

I feel it would have been more satisfying if Ambrose had basically said "fuck it" it's Extreme Rules, I'm going to take a loss and beat the hell out of Miz, and look to regain the title in my rematch. When he kicked him in the nuts that's the kind of direction it looked like he was going. Will he snap eventually, who knows. It didn't seem like it this week though. I hope the feud continues and Dean doesn't just get distracted by Elias. Keep him fighting both and it might raise Sampson up a level though without killing Ambrose's momentum... again.

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PostSubject: Re: The ongoing Raw-specific PPV thread   Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:04 pm

I just love the way Reigns carries himself. he's a guy who looks like he's got absolute confidence in what he's doing, he's got a real swagger to him, and just looks like he knows he belongs in the main event. As much as I hated Taker retiring, him going out to Reigns could be the making of Reigns as a legit main eventer. That promo after Mania should have been enough to make most of the boo-boys have a grudging respect for him, if nothing else.

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PostSubject: Re: The ongoing Raw-specific PPV thread   Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:57 pm

Just another point about Joe, it's what we all knew, but it still has to be shown in wwe to make it so. Joe is a legit superstar, carries himself on television as a legit sportsman and as an interesting character and should easily be in the top tier and considered for WWE's big matches.

It's now only taken one week of promo and violent action and then the video package that shows everything that happened in the most favourable light, blockbuster style to make him look like all the star he is.

If they continue to do this right he will be cemented as a top level star. And he really deserves to be. I really don't see how anyone of any age could not get at least a bit excited for the lesnar showdown after just last weeks events replay. And It's crazy how little it can take if they do the right things for the right talent.

Is this a sign that WWE might start playing to extraordinary talents strengths, instead of trying to change the smallest things and fiddling with characters too much? They haven't tried too hard, like they are with Nakamura, it was a basic progression of a bad man to the cold as fuck status he needed. Cerebral, some might say.

The man needs main event, mainstream attention, and working with Lesnar guarantees that. I can't see it going wrong unless for some reason they dont want more than one top guy and one bad guy on the whole of Raw.

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PostSubject: Re: The ongoing Raw-specific PPV thread   Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:26 pm

Totally, agree, Joe definitely carries himself in the same way as Reigns - is it a Samoan thing?

With any Lesnar match, it neesd someone who the crowd can buy would take an absolute kicking from him, but as importantly, also give him a right kicking back. I wouldn't buy most of the roster taking Lesnar on - even the likes of Rollins and Balor, I wouldn't realistically think either of them are ass-kickers to the point of standing up to the Lesnar onslaught. Joe's definitely one, Strowman too, I'd take Sheamus against Lesnar, and probably Jeff Hardy, if they played up the daredevil, win at all costs to himself, and that's about it for the Raw side of things.

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PostSubject: Re: The ongoing Raw-specific PPV thread   Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:51 am

They are hyping the fight well too. Starting Raw with the blockbuster video package, then Heyman who can sell a new ppv with a stupid name as the biggest event in the world so seamlessly, then simply two tough guys squaring off, before a headbutt induced brawl.

as a side note Raw as a whole started so promisingly. A legit wordsmith saying just the right things that cause two tough guys to start brawling... An annoying guy winding the audience up, which leads to two rough guys having a sanctioned brawl that ends with another annoying guy ruining things and furthering a long running feud, which can later on in the show lead to some minor payback.

Then the cruiserweights came out... 33minutes is too early to kill your shows momentum. At least later on Neville destroyed Swann again, keeping him as the undeniable king. Tozawa vs Neville will be good if it goes ahead... and Great Balls could be a hard hitting PPV all round

Titus has finally found a role as the awkward midcard manager too. Stupid, heat drawing, but weirdly effective. Building up his failed brand with innocent bystanders being dragged toward him like a black hole. I did once call him a talent vacuum haha.
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PostSubject: Re: The ongoing Raw-specific PPV thread   Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:50 pm

I now have faith that Great Balls of Fire will be epic.

Here is some cack I wrote down at points during and after Raw. It's A big one...

Only 30 mins through I decided Raw is worth writing about. So this will be a summary compiled as I go.

Now That is how you start Raw and keep peoples attention for longer than half an hour! There was Aggression, interesting characters, vignettes, heat magnets, interruptions by cooler talent, and then some more aggression.

Roman Reigns cut a quality Roman-Promo. He really looks like he is enjoying himself out there now. He dissed the current contender, which obviously led to a backlash from Joe, who can give as good as he gets on the mic. The almost vintage headbutt from Joe leads to a brawl, and Roman comes out on top as you'd expect. This is what fans want to see in terms of the momentum of Raw.

I truly believe Joe, Roman and Brock would be a perfect main event scene for the months to come. I hope they keep Joe legit, because he belongs at this level. Joe vs Brock, a triple threat, Joe vs Reigns and then Roman vs Brock would all be must see and have good longevity for the next run of PPV's. 'Officials' must be able to see that Joe is already performing at the same level as those guys and fits right in in the WWE product main event. So I do have a hope that he won't just be one and done. It just feels right. Call it the X factor, call it whatever, those guys should be able to lead a company back up in ratings. And if Joe becomes a top level star, he has an absolute beast of a back catalogue with other WWE talents, I'm thinking Kurt and AJ vs Joe finally getting the huge WWE stage in the future, and that's only viable if Joe is looking strong in WWE.

Now back to the show.
Straight into a tag match with the shows top drawing team the Hardy Boyz. And Gallows and Anderson weren't too jobby.
Then it's Goldust who has been back at his best simply by sitting and talking in a vignette. He has so much more depth right now. And it seems to prove something everyone already knows. When wrestlers are in control, and the television writers don't fuck with it too much, it's Golden. (a big show interview touched on this recently too, there's only one or two guys on creative that actually were wrestlers) we know Road Dogg proved on SD what happens when you 'get it' and lead the creative team. New Day took off when they got to write there own stuff and weren't given outdated references and useless direction too. It's just an obvious trend in WWE history.

Boom, right into Elias 'the heat' Samson, with his best showing yet. On TV these segments work, they are funny, it's just funny to watch fans get annoyed, to me anyway. It really is. And at the same time it works live because crowds DO want to see him get slapped out of the ring.
This time Balor interrupts, looking cool, ready for his scheduled match. and his opponent is... Bo Dallas. Momentum killed again? Not this week. No silly Bo Lieve in Bo sign. Bo decks Balor and looks like, you know, a contracted pro wrestler who wants to win. He even got to do a Sick knee strike spot. Good booking, a win for Balor, with both more aggressive than usual and both coming out better off. Like SD usually does for talent.
Fighters fighting to win (it's so obvious)
Corey Graves pops off for his mystery storyline.
A kick ass trailer for a wwe game. A bit like the old attitude era adverts for shows. Fire and Smashing stuff!!! I don't care about the game, but the tone of the advert fits the show. And makes Seth look like a star.
A mention of SD without it being awkward. There was a controversial topic worth mentioning that you would talk about if you are under the WWE umbrella, despite the split.

Kurt. Corey. Awkward handshake. Swiftly on to Enzo and Cass' mid card story. Who attacked them? Could it be... Heidenreich!!!!! Haha.

Seth now (I don't like his promo style or voice or something, but whatever) aww redemption promo. Like before, but he needs it refreshing in peoples mind to almost start again, nail it down that he is the babyface Seth. But oh no, Wyatt doesn't like it. He suspects lies and blatant conformity to hide his true self. Then Seth kind of declared himself as an athiest. Bray... is here... for a fight, which usually leads to some squaring up and backing down. But Seth got him first. Out of the darkness from the top rope. A pretty cool spot.

Kurt is going to 'crack the case' of Enzo and Cass. He should probably hire the fashion police. They get results.

Uh oh, Charlie Carrusso interview. Finn Balor what's next... Universal title etc DRRRIFTER upside his head. And a weird reveal of Dvon Dudley as a road agent? Helping out Finn Lol the attack keeps the momentum right, because no one wants a typical 'sportsman has a goal' interview when it drags on. Interviews do need to be more personal and character based if they aren't a backstage attack set up, but it was so, moot.

Akira Tozawa. For me he was the only current credible challenger to Neville after Aries. Although the WWE is micromanaging him with his 'AHHH' ("well that works, he should do it even more... No. Let it be natural WWE) Here comes TJP... I shall enjoy the strikes in this match a little more now. Anticipating Titus, here he comes haha. Announcing and hyping the match. The look Tozawa gives Titus is all he needs to tell this story. This is where people would usually lose interest, but like I've said last week, Titus has found his niche, so can add a layer to the division on Raw, even if it is just fluff and nonsense, he is doing something well. They have good chemistry already, but where is Apollo, Tozawa's real life best buddy... Neville interrupts the match to watch. Still think people will care more if they just batter the shit out of each other in this division. There is enough guys to have a strong style division imo. Then the best characters can still excel, but more seriously. The pump kick = crowd started taking more notice in this match. Suplex, Senton, done. More awkward Titus interaction with comedy timing. Neville gets up to be serious, which come the match suits Tozawa. Titus keeps baiting Neville and ends on a catchphrase... the Power of Tozawa lol.
R-truth sets up a match with Golddust in L.A next week.
More backstage and it's Bo and Axel. But Miz shows up trying to set up his entourage by slating them. If he does get an entourage I hope there are actual roles for the other wrestlers that actually fit them. We once banded the idea around including people like Breeze as his stylist, as a way of getting him on TV when his debut went flat and some other guys I don't remember. Has Miz ever had a bodyguard? That would really suit Miz's character needs.
Backstage with Joe. They roll footage of what looks a convincing win on his debut vs Reigns. The power of video packages. This is a good sign. Another good Samoa Joe promo and THE MATCH IS NOW. Mid show. Great momentum spike. No waiting for 2 1/2 hours for the big match. This is really how to book a Raw tv show so far, imo...
Great match, good tempo with great story telling. And lots of knocking the shit out of each other. As the match really heats up an ambulance backs up on the tron, I wonder who... ROOOOAAAARRRR. Epic moment. Joe takes advantage, Roman sells the cochina clutch amazingly well. Joe wins.
Roman still dead when they return and Strowman is coming to get him. "I'm NOT FINISHED WITH YOUUUU ROOAAARRR" another great moment. They set up an Ambulance match at Great Balls of Fire. So, it really is going to be The hardest hitting PPV of all time. Times are a changin

Quiet on the set. it's the next segment. Miz TV. Perfect timing. This really is good for Raw.
Bear. Big box. Bear. More of the same, but I feel like it will be better this time. Miz calls out Maryse for an interview lol. Says sorry. Asks her to open the gift that he wrapped, and it's the clock all fixed up, for now... She starts to forgive him and it's Ambrose time. Miz does his noble pulling of the wife in front of his path, and spills her champagne, and Ambrose knocks him in to the clock. Relationship and clock busted. But then... The bears assault Ambrose. It's Bo and Axel.
Okay Titus and Apollo vs Cesaro and Sheamus. Not really interesting on paper. But Crews vs Cesaro has some merit. Sheamus keeping up the hard hitting feel too. "cut it out with the cheap shots, Cole" exactly Booker. Tag wrestling faces and heels both hit the non legal man at points, but you only call it cheap when it's a heel. It's just pointless saying it.
video package. Joe focus, Promising. ROH title belt shown. Lesnar gets part 2. Both look like bad asses. Lesnar thinks Joe is a punk ass bitch. I think Joe might win, but that's probably the point, cast doubt over Lesnar's reign.

It's Boss time. But she's been booked lame recently, so.. But her focus is now Bliss, at least. Vs Nia now, for me momentum is shifting to meh. Bliss comes out too for commentary. Roll out the rest too, may as well, here's Emma. The word is clusterfuck. Blonde one and Mickie James come out too. And now Bayley... Somehow failing to capture the same feeling as SD women. The commentary team mention SD women's storyline again right after lol.

And finally we find out who is attacking Enzo and Cass, weird way to end, but as it's Kurt announcing it, it might tie other things in too. Oooh the suspense/boredom. Big Show quits Raw because he's been accused. Lol. The Revival make their case. Conclusion, good alibi. Corey Graves chips in. Oh, it's... Cass, setting up his fake attack. Which means he was the one who attacked Enzo... Zzz. Weird last 30 mins of a good show haha. At least they developed their characters logically. Cass will fail as a singles wrestler though, he can't lift opponents. He can act though, so I hope they don't rush him too much ahead of his ability in ring. It was a good ending eventually, his acting ability saved it.

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PostSubject: Re: The ongoing Raw-specific PPV thread   Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:52 pm

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Kurt is going to 'crack the case' of Enzo and Cass. He should probably hire the fashion police. They get results.


That could be the single greatest line I've ever read on this, or any other forum.

Great write-up. Raw potentially has one hell of a main event scene - problem is getting the angles and stories to hook it. With any combination of those three you mentioned, Balor, Wyatt and Rollins chucked in, the matches will be awesome. The probem is getting people emotionally involved. Otherwise you end up with a load of Cesaro matches that are great to watch, but you just don't care if he wins.

I'm hoping Enzo goes into the cruiserweight division after the kicking from Cass. Apart from re-signing Mysterio, he's probably the one guy who can get people to really care about the whole idea.

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